What do you do if you're Randy Patzkowski?
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I've pondered that question after watching his team get gutted by Ryan on Friday. What do you tell those kids to keep them going? We all know what happened to this team. A consistent playoff threat turned into a doormat (in more sports than just football) when Guyer opened. Transfers were allowed. Most of them went from Denton to Guyer. Denton's numbers plummeted in athletics and Guyer's ballooned to 5A numbers (Shh! Don't tell!) The good news is this is probably the worst year the Broncos will have to endure. The freshman team has been competitive. The current senior class was the last group allowed to transfer. Couple that with new zoning and Denton should start to rebound. But without a serious influx of new students, rebounding means rebounding to maybe a 5-5 record. Denton's numbers will slowly build back up, but who knows when they'll get back to normal and what that will actually mean on the field for the Broncos. What should the school district do? I think they should leave it alone. The new zoning plan is ready. It is not DISD's job to ensure Denton High has a good football team. When I did my first story on Denton's numbers problem, I asked DISD superintendent Dr. Ray Braswell, a very pleasant and friendly guy, whether "effects on athletics were taken into account when planning for the opening of Guyer." He said "No." I applaud them for having their priorities somewhere other than athletics, but look at McKinney. Boyd opened the year after Guyer did and McKinney High sports are still competitive because they zoned the town and enforced it with little exception. Braswell said the numbers were pretty similar had they allowed the transfers or had they zoned it. The only question I had unanswered after my interviews with Braswell and Jamie Wilson was this: If the numbers were the same, why not just zone it so you don't get unexpected problems like Denton's athletic numbers dropping? But who's fault it is and what happened will eventually have to become old news. Unfortunately, the story is still relevant as the effects of those decisions obviously still have a huge impact on the Denton Broncos in every sport. That's just me using my best news judgment. But what do you do in the meantime? How can the current coaches make this a positive experience? What do those poor softball girls get out of going out and getting hammered 25-0 by a classless Sherman coaching staff? I wrote in my first story about this that Denton had a few "fruitless years" on the field. A Denton parent e-mailed me saying "Those years were not fruitless. My son got to play four years of varsity football. He would have been on the bench until his senior year at Ryan." Denton plays Guyer this week. In Guyer's first year of varsity play in 2006, Denton ran the score up on Guyer big time. That could come back to haunt the Broncos as there's been talk of Guyer wanting to just blow Denton out of the water as revenge. I hope for the kids at Denton, who have nothing to do with any feuds between the two coaching staffs, that Guyer does what Ryan did: Play its starters for a half to build a lead, then put backups in the second half. |
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Posted by FalconFan @ 4:06 PM Mon, Oct 06, 2008
Im not sure what he should do now but you can bet that he is kicking himself for leaving LD.
Posted by Ian @ 8:05 AM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
I agree with FalconFan. I'm just not sure why he left LD with good athletes to the same size school with few athletes.I think they should give him a few more years to ride out the Guyer transfers completely. Not sure how the Denton players feel about Coach Patzkowski but I have had the chance to meet him and talk to him and he seemed like a great guy.
Posted by Wildcat Dad @ 8:20 AM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Jeff, there has been no talk of revenge, but here is a problem. We do not really have back ups. Also, someone said in another blog to just run the ball up the middle every time. That is what we do best. Guyer has never blow anyone away, but I would expect at least a 50 point spread. They are pretty mad about last week.
Posted by LDFalcon @ 8:45 AM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
He can always do what he did in LD, Run a bunch of good kids out of the program and Bail after a year and a half for more money.
Posted by Devin @ 11:56 AM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Guyer should have backups because they have all of Denton's players!! You can thank your coach for recruiting 8th graders and telling them that he can make a transfer happen if they try to get it. It is ridiculous how many more players Guyer has than Denton. Coach Pats is a great guy and a good coach. He can't get anything going with very little athletes to work with. The Denton Players like Coach Pats and He is doing all he can. What do you expect out of him when all his players are allowed to transfer to the new High School? He isn't kicking himself for leaving because he knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job. My team was 2-8 my Senior Year at DHS in 05 and I wish that I could have had coach Pats as my coach. He is a great guy and is a good coach. I have watched practices and talked to the coaches and they are doing a great job with what they have, which isn't much.
All teams go thru this kind of thing. It happened at Southlake a few years and its now happening to DHS. The district isn't helping but eventually they will get better with more players.
Posted by Josh @ 12:46 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Devin:
First, not sure when Southlake was down. Second, your 2-8 season had some very close games that could have gone either way (I can only think of two blowouts; Denton High has given two brand new schools their first varsity win and another school its first win in 27 games while also getting blown out quite a bit). Third, the only people that were allowed to transfer that are still at the school are the seniors. What about Denton High's sophomores and juniors? They weren't allowed to transfer. Fourth, it is the coaches responsibility to keep people in his program. Obviously something has gone wrong with what Coach Patz is trying. Fifth, I'll admit that Denton High got screwed in the rezoning when Guyer opened, but not from all the people going to Guyer. They got screwed by not have the attendance line stretch further east over into Strickland and Woodrow Wilson zones.
Posted by Devin @ 2:20 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Well its not coach pats that is making people not want to play. Go ask the players and look around the school. Its not like there are 20 should be football players walking around DHS not playing because of Coach Pats. He just doens't have the talent or people. This is Texas High School Football. There aren't just football players not playing cuz of a coach. Im tired of people blaming the coaches when there weren't numbers to begin with!
Posted by Joe @ 2:27 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
There are kids in that high school that would make a tremendous difference. Go look at the basketball and baseball teams. Loaded with talented players. If they had those kids out the last couple years, DHS program would be alot different. Why are those kids not playing??
Posted by observer @ 3:38 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
I agree with Devin. I am getting tired of people blaming the coaches when it's obvious that having low numbers is not going to produce a good football team. Oh hell, I forgot. LD keeps throwing that mentality out the window. Damn...
Posted by FalconFan @ 4:22 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Coach Pats is a good coach no matter what people say. He had a lot to do with where Lake Dallas is today by introducing the Falcons to the spread offense. Some people in LD have hard feelings with his leaving but when you have a chance to be the AD and the head football coach, you can make more money. LD is probably the only school that has an AD and a head football coach and money starts to get scares when you have to pay 2 guys for what most schools pay 1. That being said, which coach in our district do you think makes the lowest salary? I would bet it's Coach Young.
Posted by jimbob @ 9:37 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
Coach Fischer ruined dhs program. Blame him!! He was a horrible coach and dhs was lucky when he left! I only wish he had done it years earlier!! He had great athletes good numbers but a high horse attitude and nobody would want to play for him much less lay it all on the line. Numbers dwindled. Pat is a great coach & great person who cares about his players. Fischer could care less. It will take years to overcome what Fischer destroyed in his short time at dhs. Come on folks let look at the entire picture. Don't be so short sided. Fischer ruined football at dhs and no athlete in his right mind would play until the program picks itself backup. I admire Hunter for his desire to play football?? I am sure it will be an invaluable life experience if he 'lives' through it.
Example, never saw fischer at a dhs graduation. I bet Walsh, Florence & Pat are always at theirs to bid goodbye to part of their family.
Posted by ldfalconfootball @ 9:41 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
patz is a fantastic coach and left ld to support his family. broncos are lucky to have him and will be lucky to keep him. hopefully with the early signing period coming up purcell will allow denton commits not change thier letter of intent over to guyer. oh, that is college terminology, silly me, guyer doesn't recruit do they???
Posted by neutral @ 11:10 PM Tue, Oct 07, 2008
When is DHS going to stop whining about Guyer "stealing their athletes" and their coaches "recruiting"? Take responsibility and stop looking at someone else to blame. Coach Stewart is winning with her "dwindled numbers" in volleyball. It is really getting old.
AND....the current senior class was NOT able to choose where they went. Get your facts straight.
Posted by LDFALCONFOOTBALL @ 9:17 AM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
neutral, you are obviously an IDIOT
Posted by Devin @ 10:18 AM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
Well considering your coach recruits athletes and gets them transfers, you have no idea what you are talking about. Along with that, the Transfers when Guyer opened took denton athletes too. The facts are there, its not whining. Guyer and the District need to take responsibility.
Posted by teedoffdentonalum @ 10:55 AM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
As a Denton High Graduate who played for Coach Fischer, you are absolutely wrong. He won two district championships (98 and 99) DHS made the playoffs in 96,98,99,01,02 and were 7-3 in 03. And to talk about graduation? He was in charge of graduation until about 1999 and I know he was at a least two of them (his sons graduated from Denton High). Sounds like someone either wasn't good enough to play or had a son that wasn't good enough to play.
Posted by JimTolbert @ 11:43 AM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
Gary Fischer has been a great member of the Denton ISD coaching community for over 25 years, it is absolutely and completely disrespectful to try and pin any problems on him. The poster above me has the facts.
Posted by G-WILDCAT-DAD @ 4:22 PM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
I would love for the Coach Walsh to run it up on teams but Guyers coaches are good people. The score against The Colony should have really been Guyer winning 44-34 instead of 37-34, but the coaches elected to kneel at the one or two yardline with over 1 minute left instead of running up the score as other teams did to us the last two years.
Posted by ldfalconfootball @ 5:44 PM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
another idiot, you take a knee so you dont fumble and let something goofy happen. you are simply running the clock out. the guyer coaches may be good guys but Walsh is NOT a good guy. i wonder how often he is invited to drink coffee with patz and florence while they talk football. my guess is never.
Posted by Realbronco @ 5:44 PM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
I have lived in Denton my entire life and played for Gary Fischer and I could not disagree more with "jimbob". Not only that, I have called no less than 9 of my former teammates and they are all just as hacked off as I am that some loser would get on and bad mouth OUR coach under the anonymity of the internet. Get a life.
Multiple times district coach of the year. Two time district champions. Multiple "big" wins.
Not only that, but as the above poster stated, Coach Fischer was IN CHARGE of our graduation.
The coaching staff we had at Denton High School has had the biggest positive impact on my life thus far, and I thank them for their service.
jimbob, have at least a shred of class and admit that you are just grinding a personal axe.
Posted by Dentonbronco01 @ 6:37 PM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
I am going to make this quick. I was a member of the Bronco football team from 97-2000. In that time we won 2 district championships.
I am now a high school football coach solely because of how that coaching staff, Fischer especially, effected my life.
jimbob, I feel sorry for you that you completely missed the boat in this matter.
Posted by G-WILDCAT-DAD @ 11:39 PM Wed, Oct 08, 2008
Words of advise for ldfalconfootball, you can tell alot about a person by their choice of words. Anyone who continuously calls everyone idiots has a limited vocabulary and may need to take a long look in the mirror. I'm tired of you constantly attacking the character of people you obviously don't know anything about. There is a reason Guyer's success is bothering you. See your team in a couple of weeks. In the mean time we'll be in the weight room. GO WILDCATS
Posted by Plano-X @ 12:54 AM Thu, Oct 09, 2008
G-WILDCAT-DAD
Just so you know, "In the mean time we'll be in the weight room" is not unique... every team is in the weight room 3-4 times a week at this level. This is a blog dont forget, were just fan's ...most of us anyway...dont take it to serious were not playing the game the kids are. Lose your composure and fight a battle,
you'll lose your focus and the war, winners never lose their focus.
Posted by G-WILDCAT-DAD @ 9:00 AM Thu, Oct 09, 2008
Plano-X you are right. I got too excited.
Posted by FalconDad @ 12:39 PM Thu, Oct 09, 2008
I don't know who LD falcon fan is but this guy/gal dosn't represent the team or the fans of Lake Dallas.
I just thought I'd throw that in there...
Posted by bronco4life @ 1:39 PM Thu, Oct 09, 2008
joe
The basketball team finished last in district last year and only winning one game. so there aren't any studs over there either. I just think they have one of the best coaches in town. Coach Jackson has always gotten the best out of his players and done more with less.
Posted by Raider Dad @ 5:31 PM Thu, Oct 09, 2008
I can say first hand that Guyer does recruit. My son was approached in the 8th grade by the Guyer staff. They promised the world as far as playing time, they stressed they had the newest facilities, multiple uniforms, ect... He ended up playing for Coach Flo at Ryan. He did well and is now playing college ball. I dont fault the Guyer staff as much as I fault the DISD for allowing it to happen. It really comes down to economics. The DISD spent a lot of money on Guyer, the nicest school in the DISD. In Texas football is KING. It builds school pride, gets a return on investment. Would you build a new house and stock it with items from Goodwill? No, you dress it up to show it off. That is what they did and it is now paying of. Bottom line.
Posted by broncho44 @ 12:52 AM Fri, Oct 10, 2008
As a proud DHS grad it breaks my heart to see what has happend to the athletic program since the opening of Guyer. For the Ryan game last year DHS had only 22 people suit up for a VARSITY 4A FOOTBALL GAME!!!! how does that happen?? 2a and 3a schools have way more numbers than this. JimBob you need to check your facts with Coach Fischers win/loss record and the quality of indiviuals that came out of his program before you start making childish remarks. My biggest concern is the self esteem for the junior and senior class this year. It can't be a good thing for this years group of seniors to have gone 1-11 last year and possibly 0-12 this year. And the games this year have been demoralizing blowouts. Something needs to be done with rezoning to at least make DHS competetive again.
Posted by ghswildcat09 @ 8:04 AM Sat, Oct 11, 2008
Raider Dad,
I'm just throwing this out there but if your son was asked in the 8th grade to be recruited then he would still be in high school at this point. Your math doesn't add up. The first full 4 year senior class for Guyer is graduating THIS year. Think again buddy, think again!