Denton RC High School

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 12:01 AM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

I don't know how anyone could argue against this being the result of stellar districting. A 4A Football team suiting up 27 players. Not only is it unfair for the players, but it is unfair for the coaches who have to try to create moral victories out of these games.

It would be nice to interject a little intelligence into the school district.

Posted by HSF @ 9:05 AM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

It's time for a coaching change. Blaming school size, number of players, etc.., can only last for so long. Poor tackling, dropped passes, terrible blocking in a game is poor execution in practice. Poor excution in practice is poor prepartion on behalf of coaching. Team's attitude reflects LEADERSHIP from coaching staff. Maybe not all, but definitely most. It's been 4 years and losing continues and is getting worse. CHANGE MUST COME!!!

Posted by BillH08 @ 10:59 AM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

When people move to Denton, they have a choice as to where they live. Denton is one of the fastest growing communities in Texas, if not America, as evidenced by the growing number of school openings in the past 5 years. People with high school age kids who play football are either going to go to Ryan for the tradition, or to Guyer for the new school and facilities. What does Denton High have to offer? Nothing. Don't blame the school district because parents don't want their kids going to Denton High. The school district is doing the honerable thing by re-zoning to try and even this out, and even then, parents are selling their houses because they don't want to live in the Denton High zone.

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 11:13 AM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

What does Denton High School have to offer?

How about an International Baccalaureate program? Also UIL Academic scores that absolutely decimated both Guyer and Ryan? What about higher testing scores than either of the aforementioned schools?

Wait, school isn't the place to develop a student intellectually anymore is it? It's a place to win football games and have a good time right?

Oh and you bypassed Denton High schools tradition didn't you? You're being far too forgetful. Do you remember Herman Johnson, Anthony Alridge, Ian Gaines, Teddy Rodgers, Josh Tinch, Nathan Flanagan, Drew Perry, Matt Tinch? No? Do you remember when Denton was playing Brownwood in the playoffs against Kirby Freeman?

I mean to come out and attack a school on a whim makes you seem like you haven't looked into it.

Posted by footballfan @ 2:11 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

Adam Wilde
Your point is right but this is what he said
People with high school age kids who play football are either going to go to Ryan for the tradition, or to Guyer for the new school and facilities. What does Denton High have to offer? His point was DHS has nothing to offer the student-athlete, dont think the Academics or traditions were in question

Posted by justanobserver @ 2:52 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

footballfan
The kids do not make the choice where to go to school. Parents do. Adam is spot on. As for the HSF post, you are talking about a coaching staff that was in a regional playoff game just a couple of years ago. Denton High has a bad football team, but pick up a DMN paper to see how many 0-10 teams there will be this year. It is a cycle. Look at Southlake, they have gone from great to bad and back to great over the last 20 years.

Posted by footballfan @ 4:20 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

justanobserver
I guess your not good at reading either, heres the quote again :
PEOPLE(THAT WOULD MEAN PARENTS)WITH HIGH SCHOOL AGE KIDS(KIDS DONT HAVE HIGH SCHOOL AGE KIDS) who play football are either going to go to Ryan for the tradition, or to Guyer for the new school and facilities. What does Denton High have to offer?
The rest of your quote is spot on

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 4:38 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

Call me a heretic but I refuse to believe that a football program should be the definitive factor in the decision of where a student should go to school.

Denton has just as much tradition as Ryan, if not more. Tradition is looking at the 1954 game balls in the field house, and playing Odessa Permian in the 1988 playoffs, not just state-title appearances.

Denton High School is completely renovating its athletic facilities over the next 2 years, go and look at the plans. There was a bond election over it last year. The facilities will be better than Ryan of Guyers. Lets not forget that the average citizen living in Denton is twice as old as Ryan's football program.

So there goes tradition, and facilities?

What are we going to bring up next? Demographics? Median income in the Denton High Distict? You can bring up the GINI coefficient if you want, that's more what your argument is, not tradition or facilities.

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 4:40 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

Call me a heretic but I refuse to believe that a football program should be the definitive factor in the decision of where a student should go to school.

Denton has just as much tradition as Ryan, if not more. Tradition is looking at the 1954 game balls in the field house, and playing Odessa Permian in the 1989 playoffs, not just state-title appearances.

Denton High School is completely renovating its athletic facilities over the next 2 years, go and look at the plans. There was a bond election over it last year. The facilities will be better than Ryan of Guyers. Lets not forget that the average citizen living in Denton is twice as old as Ryan's football program.

So there goes tradition, and facilities?

What are we going to bring up next? Demographics? Median income in the Denton High Distict? You can bring up the GINI coefficient if you want, that's more what your argument is, not tradition or facilities.

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 4:42 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

As I was, 1987 Regional Playoffs.

Posted by Plano-X @ 5:17 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

Here is the bottom line Adam
When people are relocating to Denton (now) or within Denton (now) will look at the new area's before looking at the older area's.. that were all the growth is (now).. fact. OK throw in the fact that they have a son who plays football, or any sport for that matter and thats important to them as a family they might do a little research on the different programs in town and maybe pick the one thats best (now). Im a parent and if I were moving
I would want the best for my child and I would do the research as would most people.
DHS has alot to be proud of and alot to look foward to, but right (now) football is bad at DHS, and believe it or not parents with kids in that sport will make a choice on that alone if they can. That was his point !!

Posted by Josh @ 5:23 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

The coaching staff at Denton High never has won a playoff game. When they were in Lake Dallas they lost in the first round to Everman and then in the first round to Lincoln. They NEVER went to the regional finals. Lake Dallas went to the regional finals with Mike Young as the coach. And can you honestly tell me that a school with 1500 students can't get 40 no a varsity roster? It comes down to the kids wanting to play for the coaches and school and when the coaches are complaining in the paper every week about numbers and no talent, no wonder the kids don't want to play. As a Denton High Alum, I'm disgusted at what has happened.

Posted by Adam Wilde @ 5:47 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

Plano-X. Do you think that I don't understand that point?

The conversation really sprung about when the comment that Denton High has nothing to offer was thrown out there-fact.

I mean, if they wanted success for their child in athletics (football) for the AY08/09 school year, they would have gone to Ryan-fact.

The only valid point is that central Denton is an aging area of Denton, which is true. However, Denton's zone used to run all the way through Argyle. Now that Guyer has opened up they have gained much of that area, but if DISD wants to keeps its teams at 4A (like they have stated) they will need to zone some of the developments back.

A little bit of research is quite shallow if it only dwelves into the football record.

I hope the best to both Guyer and Ryan because every kid who puts the work in deserves success. The only thing I have a problem with is these still misguided perceptions that DHS is just slipping down a Title 1 slide when what they're basing their conclusions on is a football record.

Talent is cyclical, and believe it or not Denton High will rebound. Then what will parents say when all of the schools' football programs are equal? Will academics then play a role? Instead of taking a backseat?

Posted by Devin @ 7:22 PM Sat, Oct 04, 2008

I dont believe that all of the schools will ever be equal. With this Joke of an Athletic Director Supporting his Navy and Red and now along with Blue and Black, Denton will never have a chance. The district IS to blame. When Guyer was built, the zones were re-drawn and transfers were allowed. Go look at the zoning and you WILL see that there is a Triangle in surrounded by DHS people is being bused over to Guyer. Sadly enough, that little triangle is where the Majority of Denton's Athletes live. Now the District is "rezoning" again but giving Denton Part of Corinth where there are hardly any athletes. The district KNOWS they are screwing over DHS and are trying to cover it up. The coaches at DHS haven't had much to work with since they arrived here and they aren't to blame. 3/4ths of the DHS team are second stringers at best. Im sad to say it but its true. If you watch any of their games you will see. No offense to the team, they are working their tails off and doing the best they can. The second half of the game, it was Ryan's second string vs. DHS. That was a fair match up and Denton won. Its sad that this has Happened to DHS. Keep your heads up guys and dont ever give up!!!!!

Posted by justanobserver @ 12:43 AM Sun, Oct 05, 2008

Devin,
Knowing that you are a Denton High grad, I understand your anger with how everything went down when Guyer was opened, but use some logic when you post about the distric. No one conspired to screw DHS. Was it handled properly? No. THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR IS NOT OUT SCREW DHS!

ps. I am someone you know and would call a friend. Go Tech!!!

Posted by Josh @ 1:17 PM Sun, Oct 05, 2008

The "triangle" you are refering to has to go to Guyer or Guyer would have no low socioeconomic students. Bussing them into Guyer allows Guyer to be as diverse as the other two schools. The solution to Denton High's problems is not south, but northeast in the area over by Strickland, Woodrow Wilson, and Hodge. This area needs to be rezoned for Denton High. Read my previous post on this topic for what I think about the current situation with the coaches.

Posted by Devin @ 1:50 PM Sun, Oct 05, 2008

I understand but over and over I have seen the Athletic Director at many events, ones i have played in and ones that I haven't and almost every time, he goes to Ryan and shakes their hands and doesn't even consider to come to the DHS side. He has favorites. I have seen it and its not right. I know Guyer has to have some low socioeconomic students but Ryan has some as well and I just hope that something is done because its bad, and this never should have happened. Its sad for the players and its unfair. Things like this just dont randomly happen when a new school is added.

Posted by observersobserver @ 1:54 PM Sun, Oct 05, 2008

Justanobserver, I know who you are also and would not call you a friend..

Go Horns...

Posted by observersobserver @ 2:09 PM Sun, Oct 05, 2008

I'm just pulling you chain.. I don't know you.

Go Tech!!!

Posted by BillH08 @ 11:20 AM Mon, Oct 06, 2008

I'm glad some people see the point I was trying to make. Denton High has outstanding fine arts programs, the best in the city, but that's not in question here. If I moved to Denton when my son was in high school, DHS would be my 3rd choice of school for him to go to, simply because he loved football, and wanted to be on a winning team. Some people may choose DHS for the fine arts programs. I'm not trying to bash DHS. I'm simply trying to verbalize how many parents with teenage boys think.

Posted by BillH08 @ 11:26 AM Mon, Oct 06, 2008

And another thing, the numbers argument is pretty lame. Several 3A and 2A schools field football teams with more than 27 kids. You can't tell me there are absolutely no athletes at DHS.

Posted by Wildcat Dad @ 3:16 PM Mon, Oct 06, 2008

I heard over the weekend that a new Plan is on the drawing board. One that will keep DHS and Ryan 4A, open a 4th HS, re-zone to make Guyer a large school 5A. This is a mess, but just think if we were in the Falls with open enrollment.

Posted by happyRaider @ 3:56 PM Mon, Oct 06, 2008

I have been reading all of your blogs and it sounds just like the ones from the town that I just moved from. When I moved to Denton last year I decided to purchase a house in the Ryan district so my son could play for the Raiders. My realestate agent pointed me in that direction stating how successful Ryan was as a school. My son wanted to be a Raider because he had herd so much about their football and baseball programs. I just wanted my son to have an opportunity to be a part of a school and program that is making tradition.

Posted by Tim @ 4:19 PM Mon, Oct 06, 2008

HappyRaider, Was there anything else that you was looking for when it came to your sons needs in a school district? Let's say ACADEMICS.